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It is a relational truth He is imparting here. Here we are 2, years subsequent to His message that day, declawing the original intent of the Savior by making a hermeneutical sets of monkey-bars which over-complicates and undermines the simplicity of what Jesus was teaching. What was He teaching? His sheep will discern His voice. Again, as a former cessationist, I would have declared Amen!
This thread seems to reveal that some have other answers which are well-stated, but cannot bring themselves to answer the actual issue which Josh brought up in his original post. I have a question, several really. To backtrack: I apologize if my tone is a bit flippant. I am just so tired of these arguments. Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
A cessationist is he who believes the Bible contains all things necessary for the knowledge of God, salvation, and spiritual life. I note that Scripture to mean that no words should be added to or taken from the Bible. It is finished. I believe that His chief method is through His Word. However I also know that He reveals things outside of His Word. Too much has come to pass in my life for me not to believe.
However, after an encounter, he was left speechless! While I believe God most certainly still works miracles and is alive and well, there is NO possible way to know if any voice, impression, or otherwise is God actually speaking to us. It could just as well be a demonic spirit, right? We are told that Satan comes as an angel of light. How in the world could we possibly know that it is God? No believer should ever be basing their spiritual walk on things outside of scripture. Thank you for this excellent article! We need to appreciate the value of the Book we hold in our hand.
Especially since you published it for many to read. John The Holy Spirit does speak to us. There is no direction for them to follow so they can marry any believer they want to. They can take any job they want to. They can live anywhere they want to. The Holy Spirit is here to guide us and He does speak to our spirit. Josh, this is a great article. Thank you for your insight and dedication to the sufficiency of scripture.
They are two very different things. Even the most hard core cessationist would tell you that they believe God does work in our lives.
Adam, just to clarify my own thoughts above if you read them : my point is not that God merely works, but that He speaks. He never does so in contradiction to His Word. He does however communicate to us according to His word. He speaks insight, direction, and specific answers to our prayers.
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My point is that cessationism is so dogmatic on this matter that they paint themselves into a corner without considering the practical outworking of their theological position. Intimacy with Him is replaced with mastering the Book that He authored. They or you all only seem to believe that through reading the Word we learn everything, like what career path to take, who to marry, what church we should attend, etc.
But, He does speak and reveal things outside of Scripture — even though some abuse His name by stating He has spoken to them when He has not. God works through faith. We must believe that God can do all things, at all times.
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One might want to ask if what their pastor is saying is to be considered inerrant? Another issue is it can be very manipulative. If God said it who can argue against it? It becomes a spiritual bat to bludgeon the listener into submission in the wrong hands. There are times when a person needs to express how they believe God is leading them. Other, more humble, honest ways of communicating should be explored. Maybe others could suggest better ways of communicating when they want to express what they believe God is leading them to do or say….
Steve, that is a very helpful to make those distinctions. Certainly we need to hold to the sufficiency of Scripture.
And there are many others I could cite. Believers do have the Holy Spirit God Himself indwelling them, who teaches, leads, guides, bears witness, convicts, etc. The Christian life is not without divine communication with God through the Paraclete He has given us. Excellent thoughts, Steve.
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If each and every valid gift or ability in the Kingdom, which has been abused by someone, must be discarded, then we must throw out exegesis, evangelism, discipleship, spiritual disciplines, mission strategy, etc. We must never determine the validity of a teaching based on how it has been abused by someone. We are nowhere told in Scripture that God has stopped communicating with His own. We are never told that He only communicates now through the written Word. We are never told when or why the presumed silence of God began. The very Book that Josh honors and he is clearly a devout and committed Bible-believer is the same Book which reveals that God is actively engaged in communicating with His people.
I believe that it was Jim Boice who said about 20 years ago that the next fight over Scripture would not be over its inspiration but its sufficiency.
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Thank you, Josh, for your wonderful article. I am beyond shocked at how this subject of hearing God speak has invaded even the most conservative of churches. And, yet, so few see the red flags involved in this type of thinking. Honestly, the crazy doctrines and false teachings that continuationism is producing is just one more confirmation regarding the sufficiency of scripture.
Also, you asked how would we know our revelations are from God or the enemy. Well, first off, the enemy is out to destroy.
The gifts are clearly laid out in the Bible, and they will continue until Christ returns. Every pastor has turned out to be a false teacher, so they refused to believe in preachers and the gift of preaching, exhorting, and will never set foot in a church again. When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. If a revelation is made to another sitting by, let the first be silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged; and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. This is the only description we have of a first century church meeting in the NT.
Revelation, tongues and multiple prophecies were the NORM.
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In each meeting some combination of these supernatural works of the Holy Spirit were manifest. In other words, the revelations, tongues and prophecies were not occasional to the early church meetings; they were not peripheral and they were not incidental. These supernatural gifts of revelation were regular, normative and expected in the early NT assemblies. Now, if you continuationist types belong to churches where real revelations, tongues and multiple prophecies are the SUBSTANCE of your weekly gatherings, then you have an argument to make for your position.
If your weekly meetings are driven and shaped by the supernatural revelatory gifts of the Holy Spirit, as in 1 Cor 14, then we at least ought to listen to you.